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BarefootFreddie
Posted: 04 November 2009 12:47 AM   [ Ignore ]
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2012—Even though you could never explain to me what you felt was wrong with the direction of VA and did not deny that a GOP deal was cut in VA to avoid a Primary or possible 3-way run as in NY—-Though you brought up McAuliffe, who was brought in by the DNC to counter and likely defeat McDonnell with unlimited DNC funding, VA Dem Voters refused a DEM Deal and chose Deeds. Even though you could never give me a reason for backing McDonnell, other than the (R) followed after his name,  I congratulate you, McDonnell and his hard-working Campaign Team for a Well-Earned Victory—Congratulations, my friend: And may Virginia continue to move forward and proudly lead—


Take the time to read the commentary below—I hope you understand what I have been saying these many months—-The elections are over, but now the work begins—-I have enjoyed our exchange of ideas’ my friend—-Whether you continue on this forum or disappear is up to you—Proud member of SWVA forum or Troll??-Have the B*lls to tell the folks on this forum—
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Pundits have tried for weeks to tie Deeds’ and McDonnell’s race to a larger national significance, specifically a national referendum on President Obama’s first year since his election. And reasonably so—editors and TV producers like it when you can turn local news into national headlines. But that’s nothing compared to how much the Republican party, which won two other state offices in Virginia tonight, wanted to frame McDonnell’s win as a public, national rebuke to Obama.

It might be good for partisan politics, but it’s not the most accurate way to interpret McDonnell’s win.

The proof is in Virginia’s turnout. Exactly a year ago, an impressively high two-thirds of all eligible Virginians voted, a slim majority of whom (52 percent) swung for Obama. The number dropped by double digits this week, which by itself cripples comparisons between the two races. But where the numbers really skew are in the demographics. A year ago, young voters, who usually vote Democratic, were 20 percent of the electorate; today the number was barely half. Among people over 60, who tend to lean conservative, the number doubled from 11 to 21 percent from last year. So really, it’s not exactly the same voters from last year who changed their mind after taking Obama for a test drive.

In trying to figure out where Deeds went wrong, it’s a mistake not to look at Deeds himself. Even in a state lightly tinted blue and with several photo-ops with a still-popular president, Deeds slipped in recent weeks. For one, Deeds overplayed his hand on a misogynistic-sounding master’s thesis that McDonnell wrote almost 30 years ago, making it one of the central messages of his campaign, and a fairly hollow one at that. He also had several public slips, including a flip-flop on a question about taxes and an embarrassing performance at one of his big debates with McDonnell in Fairfax, Virginia. As election day drew closer, he waffled on how much help he wanted from Obama, wary of associating with a president who he figured undecided voters might be turning off to. When he realized he needed the help, his change of heart looked desperate, and by then the White House wasn’t exactly tripping over itself to help.

The post-spin will be endless and, as always, inconclusive. But the race might have been out of Deeds’ hands from the get-go. There’s a weird tradition in Virginia – a state that always elects its governors the year following presidential elections – that the executive mansion goes to the party that just lost the White House. Republicans won after both of Bill Clinton’s victories in the 90s and Democrats won in after Bush 43’s wins in 2000 and 2004. All of which goes to show that the only thing we can say for certain is that Deeds did win a spot in a long line of candidates (he’s the ninth) unlucky enough to be playing for the wrong team.

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Posted: 04 November 2009 08:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Good analysis.  The race in NY’s 23rd will have a regular matchup next year.

I see one thing missing in your analysis.  Independents

More people self-identify as “Independent” than self-identify as liberal.

To win an election a candidate has to win the Independent vote.  Obama took it last year quite handily.

Yesterday saw the Republicans take that Independent vote.  In VA the GOP took 62% of the Independent vote & in NJ they took around 58%.

Exit polls also showed the economy & jobs were high on voters mind 85%........not health care, dangerously high deficits or Cap & Trade.

I think voters are out there with legitimate worries about their families future.  No one wants to sacrifice their future for health care.  Things need changed in our health care system.  Not the whole thing.
Most people reject Cap & Trade.  They realize it will translate into across-the-board price increases and leave the US at a competetive disadvantage.
The high deficits are a very real threat to the dollar.  That threat could have a devastating affect on all Americans future.

People rejected the direction we are currently headed.

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People in Maine certainly did reject where their state was headed on the same sex marriage, where their legislator had passed it - struck down by the people.
Here in Virginia, the voters had their say - many news sites are doing polls asking people if they “think” the GOP sweeps show an anti confidence vote for Obama.  Of course, that’s their job to “stir things up” so people will keep reading their posts, buying their papers - watching their news on tv/internet.
I myself am more concerned about Pelosi pushing through the health care w/ abortions being funded by US tax payers.  Interesting enough, a director of a planned parenthood in Texas stood in the actual clinic room watching an abortion taken place watching an ultrasound. Between seeing it for herself and getting very disillusioned about the management meetings where the pitch was “push for more abortions, we need the money”... she quit.
I applaud her for her moxy to step out and see for herself the truth, watch an abortion; but to stand up for what she believed in even if it cost her income, her livelyhood.
People need to wake up and realize planned parenthood has a messed up agenda, and they target low income people of color; there have been several of these p.p. clinics “caught” on video tape saying this very thing.
Yes, the people have voted here in Virginia - now if Congress will listen and not vote the health care in with the abortion amendment attached.

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2012 - 04 November 2009 08:10 AM

Good analysis.  The race in NY’s 23rd will have a regular matchup next year.

I see one thing missing in your analysis.  Independents

More people self-identify as “Independent” than self-identify as liberal.

To win an election a candidate has to win the Independent vote.  Obama took it last year quite handily.

Yesterday saw the Republicans take that Independent vote.  In VA the GOP took 62% of the Independent vote & in NJ they took around 58%.

Exit polls also showed the economy & jobs were high on voters mind 85%........not health care, dangerously high deficits or Cap & Trade.

I think voters are out there with legitimate worries about their families future.  No one wants to sacrifice their future for health care.  Things need changed in our health care system.  Not the whole thing.
Most people reject Cap & Trade.  They realize it will translate into across-the-board price increases and leave the US at a competetive disadvantage.
The high deficits are a very real threat to the dollar.  That threat could have a devastating affect on all Americans future.

People rejected the direction we are currently headed.

2012-The whole anaysis centered around the fight to swing the Independents slightly left or right therfore gaining the Independent vote. How did you miss that?

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Posted: 04 November 2009 04:19 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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BarefootFreddie - 04 November 2009 04:10 PM
2012 - 04 November 2009 08:10 AM

Good analysis.  The race in NY’s 23rd will have a regular matchup next year.

I see one thing missing in your analysis.  Independents

More people self-identify as “Independent” than self-identify as liberal.

To win an election a candidate has to win the Independent vote.  Obama took it last year quite handily.

Yesterday saw the Republicans take that Independent vote.  In VA the GOP took 62% of the Independent vote & in NJ they took around 58%.

Exit polls also showed the economy & jobs were high on voters mind 85%........not health care, dangerously high deficits or Cap & Trade.

I think voters are out there with legitimate worries about their families future.  No one wants to sacrifice their future for health care.  Things need changed in our health care system.  Not the whole thing.
Most people reject Cap & Trade.  They realize it will translate into across-the-board price increases and leave the US at a competetive disadvantage.
The high deficits are a very real threat to the dollar.  That threat could have a devastating affect on all Americans future.

People rejected the direction we are currently headed.

2012-The whole anaysis centered around the fight to swing the Independents slightly left or right therfore gaining the Independent vote. How did you miss that?

The GOP in NY forced their candidate out in favor of the Independent, while the Independent in NJ received less than 6% of the vote.Many people consider a vote for an Independent a wasted vote. Therefore, the strategy, as I said, is to test the waters and ‘Talk the talk’ your party needs to swing the Independent—

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Posted: 04 November 2009 08:13 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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BarefootFreddie - 04 November 2009 12:47 AM

Pundits have tried for weeks to tie Deeds’ and McDonnell’s race to a larger national significance, specifically a national referendum on President Obama’s first year since his election. And reasonably so—editors and TV producers like it when you can turn local news into national headlines. But that’s nothing compared to how much the Republican party, which won two other state offices in Virginia tonight, wanted to frame McDonnell’s win as a public, national rebuke to Obama.

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Both Political sides made it a referendum on Obama…Not just the pundits

See this ad from Deed’s failed campaign..

I also have RECEIVED mailings from him on this..

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Andy J - 04 November 2009 08:13 PM
BarefootFreddie - 04 November 2009 12:47 AM

Pundits have tried for weeks to tie Deeds’ and McDonnell’s race to a larger national significance, specifically a national referendum on President Obama’s first year since his election. And reasonably so—editors and TV producers like it when you can turn local news into national headlines. But that’s nothing compared to how much the Republican party, which won two other state offices in Virginia tonight, wanted to frame McDonnell’s win as a public, national rebuke to Obama.

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Both Political sides made it a referendum on Obama…Not just the pundits

See this ad from Deed’s failed campaign..

I also have RECEIVED mailings from him on this..

I agree, Andy—I received e-mails from both Deeds and McDonnell—Using the Top people of your party to Campaign for you is common in both parties—-The President still maintains popularity and by ‘pundits’ I mean national news and Political analyst trying to tie the publics’ local vote to the question of rejection of both Obama and all his policies. Not acceptance of the records or policies of the candidates for Govenor themselves.

Our vote for Govenor should be based on the candidate we feel will be best for Govenor of Virginia, not on our opinion of who sits in The White House.

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Posted: 05 November 2009 12:10 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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“Therefore, the strategy, as I said, is to test the waters and ‘Talk the talk’ your party needs to swing the Independent—“

I think Independent voters expect candidates to also walk the walk, not just talk the talk.
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This was the first time voters have been able to weigh in on the new administration.  The president campaigned in VA.  He made numerous appearances in NJ for the former CEO of Wall Streets Goldman Sachs, John Corzine.

The exit polls show jobs & economy were a major driving force

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Posted: 05 November 2009 02:44 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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2012 - 05 November 2009 12:10 AM

“Therefore, the strategy, as I said, is to test the waters and ‘Talk the talk’ your party needs to swing the Independent—“

I think Independent voters expect candidates to also walk the walk, not just talk the talk.
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This was the first time voters have been able to weigh in on the new administration. The president campaigned in VA. He made numerous appearances in NJ for the former CEO of Wall Streets Goldman Sachs, John Corzine.

The exit polls show jobs & economy were a major driving force

As they should be—-But 2 GOP wins in 2 states, 1 Dem win in NY—This in a New Presidents 1st year after inheriting a disastrous economy is No huge showing of a GOP comeback or compass for 2010 or the next 3 years.

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BarefootFreddie., please shorten the line of hyphens in your first post. That is forcing the page to be too wide because of one continuous line of text with no spaces to break the line at.

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Dan East - 05 November 2009 09:48 AM

BarefootFreddie., please shorten the line of hyphens in your first post. That is forcing the page to be too wide because of one continuous line of text with no spaces to break the line at.

Sorry I broke Your Rules and failed to meet Your approval, Dan

Looks fine on my page, but I promise to try harder, OK?

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The page renders differently in Firefox.  I’ll leave it at that.

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Dan East - 05 November 2009 03:20 PM

The page renders differently in Firefox.  I’ll leave it at that.

Since your’s is the only complaint, Then I suppose this is a Firefox problem, not mine.

I’ll leave it at that. Have a Nice Day.

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Posted: 06 November 2009 03:38 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Pundits have tried for weeks to tie Deeds’ and McDonnell’s race to a larger national significance, specifically a national referendum on President Obama’s first year since his election. And reasonably so—editors and TV producers like it when you can turn local news into national headlines. But that’s nothing compared to how much the Republican party, which won two other state offices in Virginia tonight, wanted to frame McDonnell’s win as a public, national rebuke to Obama.

It might be good for partisan politics, but it’s not the most accurate way to interpret McDonnell’s win.

The proof is in Virginia’s turnout. Exactly a year ago, an impressively high two-thirds of all eligible Virginians voted, a slim majority of whom (52 percent) swung for Obama. The number dropped by double digits this week, which by itself cripples comparisons between the two races. But where the numbers really skew are in the demographics. A year ago, young voters, who usually vote Democratic, were 20 percent of the electorate; today the number was barely half. Among people over 60, who tend to lean conservative, the number doubled from 11 to 21 percent from last year. So really, it’s not exactly the same voters from last year who changed their mind after taking Obama for a test drive.

In trying to figure out where Deeds went wrong, it’s a mistake not to look at Deeds himself. Even in a state lightly tinted blue and with several photo-ops with a still-popular president, Deeds slipped in recent weeks. For one, Deeds overplayed his hand on a misogynistic-sounding master’s thesis that McDonnell wrote almost 30 years ago, making it one of the central messages of his campaign, and a fairly hollow one at that. He also had several public slips, including a flip-flop on a question about taxes and an embarrassing performance at one of his big debates with McDonnell in Fairfax, Virginia. As election day drew closer, he waffled on how much help he wanted from Obama, wary of associating with a president who he figured undecided voters might be turning off to. When he realized he needed the help, his change of heart looked desperate, and by then the White House wasn’t exactly tripping over itself to help.

The post-spin will be endless and, as always, inconclusive. But the race might have been out of Deeds’ hands from the get-go. There’s a weird tradition in Virginia – a state that always elects its governors the year following presidential elections – that the executive mansion goes to the party that just lost the White House. Republicans won after both of Bill Clinton’s victories in the 90s and Democrats won in after Bush 43’s wins in 2000 and 2004. All of which goes to show that the only thing we can say for certain is that Deeds did win a spot in a long line of candidates (he’s the ninth) unlucky enough to be playing for the wrong team.

......looking back at First Read’s coverage the day after the 2005 New Jersey and Virginia contests, we had forgotten that Rahm Emanuel—then chair of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee and now White House chief of staff—had called us to argue the very point Republicans are now making: that the two gubernatorial contests say something about the upcoming midterms.

Here’s what we wrote then:

Democratic House campaign committee chair Rahm Emanuel, calling First Read immediately after Kaine’s and Corzine’s victories were announced, argued that it’s clear Democratic voters were already energized earlier in the year when Democrat Paul Hackett nearly won a traditionally GOP-leaning Ohio House district. “I think that’s even more true today.“

*** UPDATE *** Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell’s office also sends along this Nov. 2005 Roll Call piece. “In an interview last week, Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee Chairman Rahm Emanuel (Ill.) said that regardless of the results, the gubernatorial outcomes stand to have a huge effect on how 2006 is viewed. ‘Whatever the outcome of those elections, it will have an impact on people’s interpretations of the upcoming election,‘ Emanuel said, adding that Democratic wins across the board could have a positive impact on the party’s 2006 recruiting efforts.” 

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2009/11/04/2119573.aspx

How was the gubernatorial races different in 2005 vesus 2009?

Voters are holding the administration accountable for results.

The midterm elections will be an opportunity to change direction.  Hopefully, Obama will have a plan by the halfway point of his one term.

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Cha-Ching—With All That Copy-And-Paste, You Should At Least Ask For 10 Cents For That Post, 2012—

The RNC Can Afford It—

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BarefootFreddie - 06 November 2009 03:54 PM

Cha-Ching—With All That Copy-And-Paste, You Should At Least Ask For 10 Cents For That Post, 2012—

The RNC Can Afford It—

When we read a response like that, we know that the liberals are unable to defend their position.

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