On the eve of the first referendum on the direction of the country, conservative ideology continues to draw twice the followers as does liberal ideology.

This is amazing since we have elected what appears to be the most liberal president in modern time.

It could be that many voters were dislillusioned with the GOP and chose to vote for “hope” & “change”, anything but the party that had run up an indefensible deficit & waged an unnecessary war.

The GOP appears to have learned a hard lesson, and will avoid the same costly mistakes.  The Democrats took this Bush repudiation as a mandate and have attempted to govern as if they had actually received a green light from voters.

Little did voters know at the time that their vote would take the country from the frying pan & directly into the fire.

If they did not like Bush’s $487 billion deficit, why would we expect them to like Obama’s $1.4 trillion deficit any better?

The Gallup poll shows that only 20% of the electorate believes in a liberal agenda, while fully twice that number favors a more conservative approach to limited governance.

Moderates make up 36% of our electorate.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/123854/Conservatives-Maintain-Edge-Top-Ideological-Group.aspx

GWB, was far from a conservative president.. This disenchanted many Republicans, many liberals get this very wrong. They are convinced that GWB was the some kind of “arch” conservative, along with McCain. They are very much, political, like Democrats of the 1960’s.  A comparatively close look at JFK’s presidency, and GWB’s would find them very close on most issues. Like National Defense, strong foreign policy, lower taxes etc..etc… there are many similarities.

The Democrats of Today, also bear little resemblance of themselves of 40 years ago. Obama really pales in comparison to FDR or even Truman. The cowardice in foreign policy, would shock those that saw, the effects of appeasement of dictators, somehow the Democrats today forget this, it is almost like history began yesterday for some people.

Actually, Bush’s insane spending, patriot act, and a few other things, turned me away from him (and most republicans) many years ago. When McCain, won the primary, I KNEW, we where doomed. I disliked him much more than Bush, and truth be known, the way McCain was all the time “reaching out to the other side of the aisle” and his constant “wishy washy” way he did things, he would have ONLY been moderately better than Obama, and quite a bit father to the left than Bush was.

The hard lesson Obama must learn, is that the nation, as a whole, is only about 20% left/communistic/socialist. 35% Conservative/right wing, and about 45% moderate.

These numbers do not translate directly to party, there are Left wing, Republicans, and Right wing Democrats.

This has held up, in poll after poll.

If he pushes hard to keep all his promises, he runs the very real risk, of a voter backlash. Much like Bush dealt with when he veered to the left. Their just is not enough support in the US for these far reaching government programs, and other “social issues” that they like to ram rod down American’s gullet.

One day their will be, but that day is not today. Societies have long shown, that when the people of a nation come up with a moral code, that justifies taking from one, to give to others, without the “ones” consent. Then they create a legal code that makes it LEGAL….

Elections are not for the good of the nation anymore…it is all about “who can give me the most free stuff”. And that is one of the most disgusting things today. We are on the verge of becoming a nation of beggars, problem is, whe are running out of people to beg from…And the day that happens, we loose. Just like many other civilizations that came before us.

In the end, more than freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all — security, comfort, and freedom. When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again. — EDWARD GIBBON [On ancient Athens]

Andy J - 27 October 2009 03:38 AM

GWB, was far from a conservative president.. This disenchanted many Republicans, many liberals get this very wrong. They are convinced that GWB was the some kind of “arch” conservative, along with McCain. They are very much, political, like Democrats of the 1960’s. A comparatively close look at JFK’s presidency, and GWB’s would find them very close on most issues. Like National Defense, strong foreign policy, lower taxes etc..etc… there are many similarities.

The Democrats of Today, also bear little resemblance of themselves of 40 years ago. Obama really pales in comparison to FDR or even Truman. The cowardice in foreign policy, would shock those that saw, the effects of appeasement of dictators, somehow the Democrats today forget this, it is almost like history began yesterday for some people.

Actually, Bush’s insane spending, patriot act, and a few other things, turned me away from him (and most republicans) many years ago. When McCain, won the primary, I KNEW, we where doomed. I disliked him much more than Bush, and truth be known, the way McCain was all the time “reaching out to the other side of the aisle” and his constant “wishy washy” way he did things, he would have ONLY been moderately better than Obama, and quite a bit father to the left than Bush was.

The hard lesson Obama must learn, is that the nation, as a whole, is only about 20% left/communistic/socialist. 35% Conservative/right wing, and about 45% moderate.

These numbers do not translate directly to party, there are Left wing, Republicans, and Right wing Democrats.

This has held up, in poll after poll.

If he pushes hard to keep all his promises, he runs the very real risk, of a voter backlash. Much like Bush dealt with when he veered to the left. Their just is not enough support in the US for these far reaching government programs, and other “social issues” that they like to ram rod down American’s gullet.

One day their will be, but that day is not today. Societies have long shown, that when the people of a nation come up with a moral code, that justifies taking from one, to give to others, without the “ones” consent. Then they create a legal code that makes it LEGAL….

Elections are not for the good of the nation anymore…it is all about “who can give me the most free stuff”. And that is one of the most disgusting things today. We are on the verge of becoming a nation of beggars, problem is, whe are running out of people to beg from…And the day that happens, we loose. Just like many other civilizations that came before us.

In the end, more than freedom, they wanted security. They wanted a comfortable life, and they lost it all — security, comfort, and freedom. When the Athenians finally wanted not to give to society but for society to give to them, when the freedom they wished for most was freedom from responsibility then Athens ceased to be free and was never free again. — EDWARD GIBBON [On ancient Athens]

Andy, I agree with your post. Bush wasn’t a fiscal conservative. The media portrayed him as one, but his record told a different tale.

The continuous flow of “free money” to our citizenry is an economic trap that will ensnare our country in a downward spiral. We are already on the hook for so many trillions of dollars, we will never spend or tax our way out.

Yet some want to spend even more.

CNN/Opinion Research poll 16-18 Oct 2009

How do you view the following:
                                Favorable   Unfavorable
Republican Party                   36%        54%
Democratic Party                   53%        41%

Congress handling job             29%        69%

Republican leaders in congress          
handling their job                   33%        66%
Democrat leaders in congress
handling their job                   38%        59%

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2009/images/10/23/rel15i.pdf

We might be a predominately moderate nation but the extremes are the voices that are heard.  Even if they hear the moderates the money flowing from various groups is what makes the decisions for the DC pols.

Always Learning - 27 October 2009 01:03 PM

We might be a predominately moderate nation but the extremes are the voices that are heard.  Even if they hear the moderates the money flowing from various groups is what makes the decisions for the DC pols.

Always- you are right on the money.

BF- a couple new polls have been released in regards to the NJ race, and one is a dem polling org.

Christie with a late surge
Two new polls out today suggest that Republican Chris Christie is holding the late momentum in the New Jersey gubernatorial race over Gov. Jon Corzine (D-N.J.)

The latest Rasmussen survey shows Christie taking the lead over Corzine, 42 to 38 percent, with Independent Chris Daggett winning 14 percent of the vote. Last week, Corzine held a one-point lead over Christie, 37 to 36 percent in the initial ballot test.

When soft Daggett supporters were pushed to support either Corzine or Christie, Christie maintained a 46 to 43 percent lead, with Daggett at seven percent.

A separate poll from the Democratic firm Public Policy Polling finds that late-deciding voters are lining up behind Christie. The poll shows Christie leading Corzine by four points, 42 to 38 percent with Daggett at 13 percent. Christie only led by one point over Corzine in the last PPP survey two weeks ago.

Interestingly, the PPP poll shows that Daggett voters are more likely to support Corzine as a second choice by a 10-point margin, 42 to 32 percent.

“This race is going right down to the wire,” said PPP pollster Dean Debnam.. “The Daggett voters seem to be pretty volatile so if they go back to the Corzine camp he’ll have a good shot of pulling it out.”
http://www.politico.com/blogs/scorecard/1009/Christie_with_a_late_surge.html?showall

I guess we know where Planks has gone.

2012—Are you talking about the Chris Christie that leading Republicans are trying to distance themselves from?? Could that be a last ditch effort to split the vote, hoping to hurt the Corzine vote? Who do YOU support in this race? (We’ll keep it just between us,OK)

Where did Planks go?  I just realized all his posts are missing.

I’m not really interested in the Christie/Corzine election other than who ever wins, I hope that they do well by the citizens.

Learning—-No One Knows—Read the last 4 or 5 posts I had with 2012 under the ‘Stimulus Not Working’ Topic—-
Planks had PM’d me that evening and ask me to read over a long post he had left 2012 for Monday—-His post
should have been where my TEST/TEST post was—-Then POOF, he was gone—-Not even listed as a member

2012 had the Men In Black come get him—-Zap, He was Gone***

Administrators had to remove everything.  I don’t think an individual can remove the posts themselves.  I don’t believe it would be done because he was a political troll.  If that were true, 2012, Wytheville Mom and Washington Report posts would be “disappeared”.

There is no way he was a Troll—Planks was just a regular guy posting and I enjoyed reading his posts along with everyone else’s.

You a correct about the others who’s morals and posts are for sale to the highest bidder—Planks PM’d me a coupla times, but I

have no idea why he would have been removed. Nice guy—

Always Learning - 28 October 2009 08:01 AM

Administrators had to remove everything.  I don’t think an individual can remove the posts themselves.  I don’t believe it would be done because he was a political troll.  If that were true, 2012, Wytheville Mom and Washington Report posts would be “disappeared”.

Certainly not all three.

The administrators had to remove the posts.  It could have been he got frustrated & removed his own profile, and that is why his posts disappeared.

How do you remove your own profile?

Always Learning, You have the Perfect User Name—-Fits You Very Well—-Let me know how long and I’ll add up the number of nickels 2012 earns this shift.—