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Obama’s healthcare and treatment for the elderly and chronically ill.
 
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Posted: 16 July 2009 04:26 PM   [ Ignore ]
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With the appointment of this eugenics styled “science czar” (google him “John Holdren"or the book he coauthored, “Ecoscience”), it is becoming more & more evident that Obama and his nationalized healthcare proponents are easing the public to accept the practice of withholding life saving measures from the elderly, infirmed, etc.

I find this troubling.  The radical left are trying to keep the concept from public exposure until it is too late.  They cry ‘fear mongering’ if we point out the obvious direction this is going.

Don’t trust them folks, they are merely trying to distract you with such diversionary claims.  They plan to offer exemptions for the government employees, and get this, also for union members!  Is that not the height of cynicism?  Protect their own and the heck with the rest of us.

Some of this is purposely being introduced in a controlled manner.  It reminds me of cooking a frog.  If you throw it in a boiling pot of water, he will jump out.  However, if you place him in the pot and slowly increase the heat, he will stay and cook.

This is what we are witnessing with this crazy radical left concept.

It will leave a bureaucrat or protocol to make decisions on who is worthy of care and who is to be comforted and allowed to die.  In addition to the series the New York Times is running in the below paragraph, they have an article in their New York Magazine justifying the refusal to treat elderly and chronically ill patients.  They make the claim it is not worth the money.

The New York Times is running a series titled “Months to Live” in order to help spread the sort of end of life issues that are helpful to Obama’s healthcare agenda, one of which seems to be the idea that elderly should forgo any sort of heroic measures to keep them alive so as not to waste those resources that might be able to go to younger, more vital patients.

The second these ideas become the norm, government will by necessity of control begin to determine which citizens are “worth” saving and which aren’t worth the efforts and should be denied services. And from there it won’t be long before prescriptions of euthanasia for those “not worth” the costs of government largess will become de rigueur everywhere.

For the few that watched ABC’s special on healthcare, the most important takeaway from it was President Barack Obama’s admission that he would go outside the constraints of a nationalized system to get the “very best care” if necessary for his own family.

Obama’s response should properly be seen as “a Michael Dukakis moment that exposed him as a hypocrite.“

Dr. Orrin Devinsky, who took part in the televised discussion,  asked the president pointedly if he would be willing to promise that he wouldn’t seek such extraordinary help for his wife or daughters if they became sick and the public plan he’s proposing limited the tests or treatment they can get.

 

The president would not make such a pledge, though he confessed that if “it’s my family member, if it’s my wife, if it’s my children, if it’s my grandmother, I always want them to get the very best care.“

 

It is time the American voters wake up and recognize this for what it is.  A moral disaster in the making.

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ccone1
Posted: 20 July 2009 09:42 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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I find it amazing that Obama is hardly attempting to hide his tyranical intents. 

Science Czar Holdren advocates compulsory sterilization, Green Job Czar Van Jones has admitted to being “radically communist,“ and Information & Regulatory Affairs Czar Sustein advocates internet police.

On healthcare, I heard it put very succinctly the other day when a pundit asked what country’s healthcare program do we want to emulate?  Let’s pick out the best in the world and copy it.  If this occurred, I doubt we’d change a thing.

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Posted: 24 July 2009 01:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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Senator: Half our opposition to health care is just plain politics

Half the Republicans’ opposition to a public health care option comes not from policy differences with the Democrats, or fundamental philosophical differences about the role of government, but purely from a desire to score political points against President Barack Obama, a senior Republican senator has admitted.

George Voinovich (R-OH) said on CNBC Wednesday that a desire to prevent the Democratic president from scoring a historical victory with a public health plan accounts for at least 50 percent of the GOP opposition to the plan.

Squawk Box host Carl Quintanilla asked the senator: “How much of this disagreement with the administration is about the policy of health care and how to fix it, and how much of it is Republicans’ ... desire to declaw the president politically?“

To which Voinovich responded: “I think it’s probably 50-50.“

broadcast on CNBC’s Squawk Box on Wednesday, July 23, 2009:

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Posted: 28 July 2009 08:02 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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I found this on a blog just randomly, i dont even know the person, However, it summed it up in a simple to understand fashion…
Dear People Who Like to Make Bold Statements Without Knowing Crap;
Hi. My name is Stephen. I write blogs. I sleep a lot. I watch TV. I play Mobsters and Farkle. I abhor physical labor and camping. I’m scared of scorpions. And box jellyfish stings.
And I seem to understand more than a gabillion people about the proposed health insurance reforms
Note I said health INSURANCE reforms.
Let me get the bold universal statements out of the way for you folks:
Government will not be taking over your health care. Period.
There will be no government bureaucrat between you and your doctor.
There is NO proposed “Universal Health Care Plan” like Canada’s at this time. None. No. Not.
Here’s what we have now:
PPO’s
HMO’s
MediCare for seniors.
MediCal for indigents.
Nothing for poor or middle class folks
Very few options for those with pre-existing conditions.
Here’s what Congress is proposing:
Expanded MediCare to cover everyone who needs it and qualifies (ie, not just folks over 64 years old)
Expanded MediCal to cover everyone who makes under 133% of the poverty level (about $14 grand a year per person in a family)
You got a nice PPO? Great! Keep it. No changes for you.
You like your Kaiser or some HMO? You got it! Some minor changes, especially including you actually getting to choose your doctor, specialist, or pharmacy.
You have insurance through your work? Sweet! No changes.
You run a large business but don’t insure everyone? Whups! Now you have to insure everyone, based on your ability to do so financially. If you spend 8% of your profits on insurance now, no change. If you spend less, and you still can’t afford it, prove it. If you prove you can’t afford it, no worries, you’ll be able to offer MediCare to your employees.
You a small business? No worries. You’ll offer MediCare to your employees, but if you make a bundle, expect to pay some for that.
You unemployed or self-employed like me but have a few bucks? You’ll be able to choose from a competitive assortment of Government sponsored MediCare programs. These will be covered by taxpayers until the monetary returns of the new efficient methods of insurance communication, HIPAA, and electronic medical record keeping take over. (ie, this plan costs money, but should pay for itself in 10 years).
You have too many pre-existing conditions and keep getting turned down? Government MediCare is for you!
You broke or indigent or mentally challenged and can’t care for yourself OR A NON-US CITIZEN (on work furlough, or here legally for some other reason)? Congrats! You qualify for MediCal!
MediCare payouts are often higher than PPO payouts. Yes they are, Republicans! I work for a physical therapy clinic. Yes they are! So you doctors and pharmacists and surgeons and PTs and OTs and etc etc will still make your money.
And for you folks who are tired of paying big bucks for Blue Cross or Aetna? The USofA will have a private health care plan with competitive rates for you, if you want it! Heck, the rates will be so competitive (because they’re offset by taxpayer dollars at first), that Blue Cross and Aetna will have to lower thier rates to stay competitive!
Do you own a private insurance company? Yeah, you’re kinda screwed. You get to complain about this whole deal. You’d better work FAST on Obama’s Feb 20 proposals for new coding and electronic medical records and HIPAA compliance so you can cut your costs fast…otherwise, when folks leave you for the government plan and employers stop using you so much and you have to drop your too-high rates? Well, you might lose money. Hell, you might even go out of business.
That’s okay. There are over 900 PPO providers right now. We can afford to lose half of you or more. The smart companies will adjust, improvise, and come out ahead. The whiners will go under.
Oh, and folks?
You’ll still have to fill out lots of paperwork to qualify for insurance. Just like you do now. And providers like doctors and surgeons and hospitals and hospices will still have to file claims for your care. And if you have PPOs or HMOs, some of those claims might get denied. Or you might reach your limit of reimbursement for the year. Or you might not be able to afford the co-payments any more.
And when that happens, the government will offer MediCare or MediCal to you for FREE to ensure you are never denied the care you need. Ever again.
You’ll go in to see the Doctor earlier when your trick leg acts up. When you feel a lump in your hoohah. When you begin that cough.
And good Doctors will catch the problem earlier. And you’ll get treated earlier, before your problem turns into something REALLY expensive. And we’ll be a healthier happier nation.
Except for large insurance company owners. I apologize to you. You’re kinda screwed.
Oh, and for about 10 years? You folks making over a million a year and some of you smokers? You’re kinda screwed also. Yeah, for awhile you’ll have to pay more…sorry about that. It’s sorta socialistic, I know. Hey, no one said this plan was devised by magic faeries and all would be well for everyone financially.
But all will be well for everyone health-wise. Which will actually save money in the future. And the competition for private insurance will streamline. It’ll have to.
The result?
We all have insurance, one way or another. Health care providers get to actually treat patients without worrying if they can pay for the correct pills or treatments they really need. Health care providers will get to make those decisions. Not insurance companies. Not ever again. Ever.
So kind friends who don’t understand the plan and think President Obama is going to come to your house and take your money and your children away? And that your doctor will have to talk to Hillary herself before they can do surgery on you?
Dear, kind friends?
SHUT THE **** UP.

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Posted: 28 July 2009 08:03 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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(cont. from above)


Thank you.

Now go read actual information about these plans from actual sources (like maybe reading the plan itself, or the highlights of it).

Love and kisses -

Steph

PS—Dear kind highly paid friends who will get screwed for awhile paying this thing?

I apologize. It really does suck for you. Same for the CEOs of the biggest health insurers. This reeks bad.

Hang in there, yah?

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Posted: 28 July 2009 11:12 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Google this statement “Whistleblower tells of America’s hidden nightmare for its sick poor” and read the story.  This whistleblowers story starts in Wise County Virginia.

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Posted: 28 July 2009 11:32 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I certainly appreciate a little passion on any political topic.  But, Beaep, you’re a bit misled.

Admittedly, the proposed legislation which passed House committee does not mandate that we move to a public option but, the very fact that they will be a public option will lead many employers to drop coverage.  Then, my friend, millions of us will have to change.

Obama has suggested rationing care by specifically mentioning four procedures to be scrutinized: C-Section, back surgery, CATscans and MRIs.  And, several amendments were offered to ensure no rationed care but each were defeated in committee.  Look into John Holdren’s views on valuing age, compulsory abortion and sterilization.  He’s our new Science & Technology Czar.

Now the good part.  Liberty is defined as freedom from control, interference, obligation, restriction, hampering conditions, etc.  So, regarding another’s post, yes, this is ideological.  Dang right it is!  (OK, here goes some radical right-winger off on another Constitutional rant!!)  The US was truly the first nation on this planet to offer a government as an agent of the people, with guarantees of personal property rights.  I own nothing more dear than my body and our federal govt has no power to control by decisions, interfere with my care, obligate me to carry insurance, restrict my business from being competitive or hamper conditions of a free market.  Nor is it my obligation to pay for someone elses care.  And, don’t forget that this proposal pushes Medicare costs to the states and it’s not even their program.

I’m all about people getting care and being able to manage the costs.  Preventative care could be contracted directly with a doctor; no insurance required.  Catastrophic insurance is already in the marketplace.  This bill does nothing to attack costs…nothing (ie. no tort reform).  And, it is much broader than it needs to be.

God willing, China & Japan will stop lending us money.

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Posted: 29 July 2009 12:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Bill Kristol on Jon Stewart show:

Stewart: Why no health care, Why no health care reform for Americans because the military fighting for us, gave it up. Why do you hate America?

Stewart: Why not? Why shouldn’t the government provide some sort of care to the 50 million that are uninsured?

Kristol: No, well the military has a different health system than the rest of Americans.

Stewart: It’s a public system, no?

Kristol: Yea, they don’t have an option they’re all in the military.

Stewart: Why don’t we go with that?

Kristol: (Stupid look comes across his face.) I don’t know. Is military health care what you really…first of all it’s really expensive, they deserve it, the military…

Stewart: But people in public do not?

Kristol: No, the American public do not deserve the same…

Stewart: Are you saying Americans shouldn’t have access to the same plan health care that we give the soldiers?

Kristol: Yes, to our soldiers? Absolutely.

Stewart: Really?

Kristol: I think the one thing if you become a soldier…

Stewart: So you just said, Bill Kristol just said that the government can run a first class health care system.

Kristol: Sure it can.

Stewart: A government run health care system is better than the private health care system. You just said that…

Kristol: I don’t know if it’s better.

Stewart: No, you just said it was better.

Kristol: I didn’t say it was better all around.

Stewart: No, you said it was better. You said it’s the best, it’s a little more expensive, but it’s better. I just want to write this down. The government runs the best health care…

Stewart: I understand that so what you are suggesting is that the government could run the best health care system for Americans, but it’s a little too costly so we should have the shitty insurance companies health care.

Kristol: I’m suggesting our soldiers deserve better health care…

Stewart: They deserve the best. They have the best government run health care money can buy

ITS SHOCKING TO ME THAT CONSERATIVE BILL KRISTOL ADMITS THAT THE US GOVERNMENT CAN RUN
A FIRST CLASS HEALTH CARE PROGRAM, but I must question why he and others are fighting so hard to defeat the public option???  But then he does say that the public does not deserve the best health care!!

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Posted: 29 July 2009 04:45 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Since when has Bill Kristol become a expert on healthcare or health INSURANCE?  All of us in the US already have the best healthcare money can buy; that’s inarguable.

I ALREADY PAY MEDICARE PREMIUMS AND MEDICAID PREMIUMS AND INTO A SOCIAL SECURITY FUND FROM WHICH I’LL PROBABLY NEVER SEE A DIME!!!!  I WISH THE GOVT WOULD STOP TAKING MY MONEY FOR BLOATED, INEFFICIENT FEDERALLY MANDATED PROGRAMS WHICH INFRINGE ON MY LIFE, LIBERTY AND PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.

Will people of this country ever stop wanting a free lunch?  Geez, pay your own medical bills and, if you can’t, file bankruptcy…but leave me out of it.

The GOP has a plan based much more on free-market solutions but nobody will listen…no amendments could get passed in committee.  This debate is all based on ideology.  And among “we the people,“ some would rather be owned by the Dems than ever admit the GOP might have a good idea.  Something this important should not be based on ideology alone, but a solution which is best for as many as possible.  Most people polled wouldn’t change a thing.

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Posted: 30 July 2009 11:50 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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Bill Kristol is a well known Republican spokesman and for a Republican spokesman to admit that the party line is BS speaks volumes.  Two Republican senators have also admitted that the Republican objection is not against health care but a way to prevent the President from winning on the issue.
Is Bill Kristol a health expert, I don’t know and neither do you.
Your statement “ALL of us in the US already have the best health care that money can buy” also shows that you are not an expert on health care.  The experts say that we spend much more than any other country in the world yet we are rated # 47 in the world for health care.  I bet that many who will read this do not agree that they are receiving the best medical care that money can buy.
Isn’t your health insurance actually being provided by the government???

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Posted: 30 July 2009 12:51 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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Oh, how I like a good debate and will even admit when I am wrong.  Agreed, the US does not have the best healthcare in the world.  The World Health Organization has us ranked 37th, and behind countries with govt run care.

But…84% of insured Americans are happy with their coverage and 91% of Americans are insured.  That means 76% of Americans don’t want a change.  So, again I suggest that the House bill (and probably the other versions floating around) are completely to broad.  Why not just cover the 9% of Americans without insurance?  This would appear to be in line with the will of the people.

The US healthcare industry is equal to the 6th largest economy in the world.  How effective could an overhaul of this magnitude be after a few short months of bill writing including a staunch objection to ideas outside of the Socialist Democrat Party?  I contend this has nothing to do your health; this is a power grab.

I have employer subsidized health insurance through Cigna.  I pay Medicaid and Medicare taxes every two weeks.  I will never work for the federal govt unless they come confiscate the company for which I work, a completely realistic event since our Green Jobs Czar has admitted to being “radically communist.”

For the record, I am not a republican. 

But, fromtheslide, as I have admitted fault in my assessment of quality, could you do me the honor of pointing out which Article and Section within the Constitution allows for centralized health insurance?

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Posted: 01 August 2009 10:41 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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You state that 91% of americans are insured, my limited research shows a much smaller number of 79%.  The AVERAGE % of people covered is NOT the real story.  The real story about who is covered comes out when you look a a break down of coverage based on yearly earning.  For those earning less than $50,000/yr only 50% had continous coverage without reduction of benefits for period June 08 to June 09.
I don’t know what the average income for this area is but I do know that a very large % will fall into this catagory.
I saw something yesterday that says the Members of Congress that are fighting AGAINST health care
are being paid very well for their efforts with one of the blue dog democrats receiving in excess of 2 million dollars for his efforts.  The money is coming from the health insurance industry.

Here is a question I would love to ask the members of congress who are fighting against the public option:
WHO PROVIDES YOUR HEALTH CARE COVERAGE??  Answer, the Federal Government. 
Have you EVER heard a member of congress complain about his health care coverage?????????????? The government must provide his excellant coverage.

In answer to my question you answered “I will never work for the Federal Govt” but on a 3Nov2008 post you stated “I’ve been a part of Defence procurement for the past 11 yrs”.  If you are a “part of defence procurement” you do in fact work for the Federal Govt, maybe not direct but most certainly indirect.

As for which Article and Section within the Constitution allows for centeralized health care, the more inportant question is does the Constitution have anything that prevents centralized health care???

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Posted: 03 August 2009 05:17 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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I think Congress has access to private plans and a public option from which to choose.  I’ve read before that they all choose the private plans but can’t locate that article.

I work for a defense contractor, we sell things to the government.  So I know how govt procurement works but in no way do I work for the gov’t.

The 10th Amendment allows states to provided healthcare.  The Constitution is a document of omission by design in order to give power to the states and to the people.

Good debate.

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Posted: 04 August 2009 07:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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A great video surfaced yesterday…

“I don’t think we’re going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately.  There’s going to be potentially some transition process; I can envision a decade out or 15 years out or 20 years out.”  - Obama in 2007 to SEIU

“I happen to be a proponent of single-payer healthcare system.”  - Obama in 2003 to the AFL-CIO

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Posted: 05 August 2009 03:37 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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Yes, an interesting video.
Do you ever question where this video came from?  Where it has been??  After all part of it supposedly
happened in 2003, six(6) years ago.
This is a slick video that used statements pieced together to change the actual meaning of the speech.  If this were an actual video do you REALLY think that it would just now appear from no where????  I will
say that its professionally done, I wonder what it cost the insurance companys to have it put together??
The insurance companies are at the present time spending 1.4 MILLION dollars a DAY to defeat healthcare
bill so I guess paying for the video is a drop in the bucket.

This video is just like the letters received by Rep Tom Perriello D-VA.  See link below:


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/04/AR2009080402223.html?hpid=moreheadlines

http://heartlandofvirginia.wordpress.com/2009/07/31/letters-sent-to-perriello-opposing-energy-bill-were-forged/

http://www.wsls.com/sls/news/state_regional/govtpolitics/article/forged_letters_to_perriellos_office_came_from_coal_groups_lobbying_firm/42995/


Then we have Orly Taitz and the birthers with a VERY POORLY forged Kenyan bith certificate:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/8/3/761506/-Hilarious:-Source-of-Forged-Kenyan-Birth-Certificate-(Updated)

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Posted: 06 August 2009 04:31 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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I do not question where the video came from.  And I don’t believe that the core content is out of context.  It’s quite a stretch to suggest “I happen to be a proponent of single-payer healthcare system” means anything other than Obama is a proponent of single-payer.  That 2003 video made limited circulation during the campaign but, then again, every anti-Obama footnote only made limited circulation thanks to the tingles running up the legs of the main stream media.

As far as the 2007 interview with SEIU, unless Obama was quoting someone else it’s an equally far stretch to suggest he didn’t mean that he would prefer eliminating employer coverage.  He said what he said.  The videos are not forged like the letters to Perriello.

It certainly doesn’t bother me that insurance companies are spending $1.4M a day to fight back Obamacare.  That tells me something…insurance companies are convinced they will be put out of business by the public option; as am I.

I was sure to watch MSNBC the other night.  Over a two hour period they (Maddow & Olberman) ran 2 stories about Bush era misconduct and 2 stories about ‘astroturf’ healthcare protesters.  A lot of no news with plenty of blame and ridicule.  And let me be clear, I am not on anybody’s political payroll and have had no conservative group soliciting my attending a townhall meeting.  To have the president of the US call honestly concerned citizens a “mob” simply shows his true colors of oppression.

For me, “fundamentally transforming the United States of America” (Obama 10-30-08) is not an option without a series of Amendments ratified by the states but I’m not the one who took an oath to protect and defend her honor.

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