and on top of everything else, one of the guys involved in the altercation had already been banned from the establishment. so what was he even doing back in there. i can tell u why. money. cathy, i wish u all the luck in the world, but i hope this incident doesnt put a black eye on your business. get control back.

gw843b There is so need to get personal.  This is about Turn One not your friends or whatever.  Things happen for reason. Every one on this site needs to remember that people come to Turn One to drink and have fun. Most of the ugly comments are coming from people who have been asked not to return to Turn One it’s so obvious. Wednesday night happened for a reason and we all know why.  Just don’t get ugly and say things that don’t matter.  If we could all get along things like this wouldn’t happen in the first place. Please stop the bad comments and lets all try to get along and hope things will get better in Wytheville. LOL also

gw843b Just remember the bouncers don’t have to break up fight unless it’s Wednesday Go figure???

any restaurant in virginia that serves alcohol might have a fight.  for that matter, any business at all in the Commonwealth could have a fight.  a public accommodation can’t unreasonably refuse business like that.

therefore, in short order, the patrons should be removed. 

that’s what happened.

the business’s reputation should only suffer if behavior like that were allowed to go on un-checked.  the behavior was checked. 

secondly, I don’t think there’s anything in ABC regs that would yield a violation in this case.  if someone is aware of a particular one, i’d appreciate knowing which.

Alright I have to say this is getting pretty comical. This should not be about who’s opinion is better, more accurate or who agrees with whom (although it is fine because it is an open forum). This should be about making suggestions to help everyone make the community better.

I am not saying whether I feel it should stay open, or should not - the reason being is that no one is concerned with the fact I think this way or that way because we all have our own opinions.

It is pretty much common sense that any establishment that serves alcohol has more potential for issues. Is it the fault of the bar or customer - to be honest by law, both - but, each person is responsible for their own choice so can we really say this brawl is the cause of the bar, or personal choice…I think all could agree that personal choice probably played more into starting the issue (fight) than the bar, owners or staff.
I have never seen anyone post (and I could be wrong) that we should stop (professional) baseball and football games because fans can drink and get to rowdy - but if people are uncomfortable there, then simply dont go or offer ideas to make everyone enjoy!

So, how about making some positive suggestions on this forum since there seems to be a lot of people that care - doesn’t matter which way they view this subject - the point is they care!

Mine would be: In several bars and clubs I have been to or played in over the years, at least 1 or 2 Local Police Officers patrol on foot, inside the bar a few times throughout the night. Not to pick on people or kill a good time - but to make sure the bar is doing their responsible part and making sure patrons are drinking responsibly.
This presence helps crowd control, responsibility of the establishment, and also the patrons might think more about consequences before making bad decisions. It could also make people think harder before deciding to get behind the wheel…

Just a though…maybe a few more people might feel more comfortable coming out to see a race, a band, or just to have a drink because this area is very limited on prospects so why not make the ones we have the best possible - and for those that do enjoy it currently, I think they would welcome more people to come out and have fun! Just an idea.

I find it truly amazing what gets people upset enough to take time out of their lives to argue with someone they don’t even know over the internet.  There is an actual argument raging about a BAR in Wytheville!  It really goes to show the mentality of most people these days.
Arguments should be about things that need arguing about.  A bar in Wytheville is, in my opinion, not worth an opinion one way or the other.  If Turn One shuts down today it’s not going to affect me or my life in any way. 
I’ll tell you some things that DO affect my life, and the lives of those around me. 
1. Rising cost of living (gas, groceries, utilities) without rising wages. 
2. The inability of a large number of people to afford adequate healthcare.
3. The disappearance of SO many jobs in our area leaving many people, children and animals (YES ANIMALS) facing having to depend on unemployment or welfare to help them or finding themselves homeless. 

There are so many things that people could be doing to help themselves and each other, but instead they’re spending that time on here, insulting each other over a stupid bar. 
It’s just really sad.

W. Getchell, you should be ashamed.  This gentleman did not deserve to die in a car crash.  He had a wife, mom, dad, and maybe children.  Also, Turn One has always been known for a trashy bar.  The owner(s)know what goes on.  They do not care about people.  It is only a money making business.  If you want to drink, and look stupid, do it at your house.  Close down the trashy bar!!

I agree with several points you make Audrey. Turn One’s fate might not affect you but think about this:

This room is very important to many entertainers/musicians. They have potential to make good money performing there because the support of the patrons that come to see them. I KNOW from personal experience playing there that it has been a very beneficial room to play because the support has been great, and it is close to home cuttin off traveling expenses.

For some of the entertainers/musicians, to lose a room that pays well is very important to their finances. Several band members everywhere depend on the money they make playing places such as Turn One, all over our area and the rest of the country. For some, playing these places is actually their main and/or only source of income; and for that reason alone, it does have a major effect - especially with rising gas prices (as you stated) when a local place close closes and then these men and women have to travel to other towns or cities to play venues. It really affects a lot of people in many ways. So it might not directly affect you, and it is understandable why this establishment would not affect you either way, but that is not that case for everyone.

the bottom line is turn one used to be the cheers of wytheville. the influx of different clientele, and a younger generation of people who have no idea how to act in public or private makes things tougher on everyone. i work in an industry where the age range of employees is 18 to 65-70. and in my opinion and many others the under 30 staff have no work ethic, no pride and no sense of what life in general is about. and that same set has been the source of many of the problems that plague our local establishments, and our county as a whole. our whole country for that matter. parents are the ones who need to step up and instill the old school values this country was built on in their children. thank you.

Jjkk,
You’re right…. it would affect the musicians that play there and that would be bad for them.  But surely there are other venues in which they could play?  My husband is a musician and he plays all over the place… coffee shops, schools, amusement parks….etc.  This weekend, he and his band are playing at Festival in the Park in Roanoke. 
Either way, the point is moot…. no matter how much one may wish Turn One to shut down (or stay open, whatever the case may be) it’s not going to happen just by wishing OR by arguing on here. 

Let’s all join hands and sing Kum by Yah…... (that could be spelled wrong… )

Looks like it’s spelled right Audrey.  If not I’m sure someone will let you know!!!
As for all of us wasting our time and arguing on here… what, exactly, are you doing on here??  Just sayin’  ;-)

BP232,
Touche!  LOL
Yes, indeed, I am wasting time on here…BUT I’m not arguing - not unless it’s something that I feel is worth arguing about.  World peace maybe…............
:)

Several on here have wrote about how The Clinic was worse than The Turn, well The Clinic is now closed because of situations just like that the Turn is having or have already had. I have frequented The Clinic and The turn on several occasions and both are pretty much the same shaddy places. I can’t count the amount of times that I saw underage patrons or things that were illegal going on. It is only a matter of time before the powers that be in this community get tired of reading about the crap that is going on and shut the place down. If everyone on here or the public that likes to go to The Turn wants it to remain open, then stop the illegal activity and make it an enjoyable place to go.

Actually that is not at all why The Clinic closed.

The Clinic actually was closed due to mis management by Gene. The owners used to run the clinic themselves but were having issues getting bands, negotiating pay and so on. Wanting to step out of that situation, the hired Gene to handle all business affairs.

In a short time, he actually ran the place well (starting out). He paid bands fair prices and negotiated very well on numerous things. Now, I will not argue that there seemed to be things such as underage people, fights and so on…but again, that is the case with a good majority of bars everywhere.

Last year around August to October, Gene actually was dealing all business over the phone from home or some other location. He locked down spending on bands, alcohol and even paying waitresses and staff on time, or the amount owed to them. Also, they started not being able to pay the bands the money that was contracted to them…so, after a while of this happening and the staff basically trying to run the business with their hands tied over money, the owners eventually fired Gene.

With that being said, most bands that generally played there several times a year started to notice that shows that were already booked for certain amounts were being “contract void” I will call it. We had a show booked there for a certain guarantee as normal for the past several years. Well, all of a sudden we get a call about the show and was told by the owners that our guarantee would no longer be met and would have to play for the door….thats isnt a huge issue until they told us we would only get 75% of the door - the other 25% went to The Clinic Security/Bouncers or whatever…ok, thats where we drew the line. It is not our responsibility or any bands responsibility to pay for a venues staff, especially after getting F*&^ed out of a contract. So I argued it was not our place to pay and they responded “If you guys were not playing here, we wouldnt need security”...which then I responded “If we didnt play there, you would not have patrons buying alcohol, thus, you would be out of business”....so, after going back and fourth with us and some other regional bands, several bands actually decided to stick together on the issue (hoping to sway their minds) and not play until we and the owners came to an agreement that worked for us all. They would not do that so basically the Clinic lost 4-5 of their top bands that drew the most patrons…eventually a couple of months after that, they closed.

So, in all fairness to the discussion, that is the exact reason The Clinic was closed by the owners. They did not want to run the daily business of handling the bar, working with bands - they wanted to keep more of an investor perspective and it ended up not working due to mismanagement from Gene.

So, yes, any bar is comparable with another, but, fights or underage persons was not the direct cause on why the establishment closed!

ditto what jjkk said and I’ll add two points.  1) I was under the impression Gene was in the process of buying the place but never paid the owners. 2) The Clinic didn;t sell enough food as required by VA ABC Laws. 

In response to Vexed…. Turn One is already an enjoyable place for many.  For 12 years now, with excellent food!  The “powers that be” can’t do anything to a law abiding, tax paying legitimate business.