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Obama And His Socialism Do Matter
Posted: 13 October 2008 06:44 PM   [ Ignore ]
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For conservatives opposed to an Obama presidency, the last few days have brought the wonder of the smoking gun:  Obama really was a socialist.  Combine that hidden paper trail with his Ayers affiliation, and it’s reasonable to believe that Obama still holds these socialist political views.


Conservatives’ excitement at finally having found the real socialist hiding inside that empty suit is tempered by one thing—outside of conservative circles, nobody really seems to care.  The media, of course, is very aggressive about not caring, but the malaise seems to affect ordinary Americans as well. 
The only way to explain this disinterest in Obama’s past and its relationship to his present is that Americans no longer consider the label “socialist” to be a pejorative.  To them, it’s just another content-neutral political ideology.  In our non-judgmental age, it falls into the same category as Liberal vs. Conservative, or Left vs. Right.  To most people, it just means Obama is a more liberal Liberal, or a leftier Lefty, and they already knew that. 
Socialism is not simply a more liberal version of ordinary American politics.  It is, instead, its own animal, and a very feral, dangerous animal indeed.
If it were up to me to attach labels to modern political ideologies, I would choose the terms “Individualism” and “Statism.“  “Individualism” would reflect the Founder’s ideology, which sought to repose as much power as possible in individual citizens, with as little power as possible in the State, especially the federal state.  The Founder’s had emerged from a long traditional of monarchal and parliamentary statism, and they concluded that, whenever power is concentrated in the government, the individual suffers.


And what of Statism?  Well, there’s already a name for that ideology, and it’s a name that should now be firmly attached to Sen. Obama:  Socialism.
It took Marx and Engels to carry socialism to the next level, in which they envisioned the complete overthrow of all governments, with the workers of the world uniting so that all contributed to a single socialist government, which in turn would give back to them on an as needed basis.  Assuming that you’re not big on individualism and exceptionalism, this might be an attractive doctrine as a way to destroy want and exploitation, except for one thing:  It does not take into account the fact that the state has no conscience. 


Once you vest all power in the state, history demonstrates that the state, although technically composed of individuals, in fact takes on a life of its own, with the operating bureaucracy driving it to ever greater extremes of control.  Additionally, history demonstrates that, if the wrong person becomes all-powerful in the state, the absence of individualism means that the state becomes a juggernaut, completely in thrall to a psychopath’s ideas.
One sees the same pattern as in Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia:  individuals were instantly subordinated to the needs of the state and, as the state’s needs became ever more grandiose, more and more people had to die.  Current estimates are that Mao’s “visionary” Great Leap Forward resulted in the deaths of up to 100 million people.  The people died from starvation, or were tortured to death, or just outright murdered because of thought crimes.  The same pattern, of course, daily plays out on a smaller scale in socialist North Korea.

Those are examples of hard socialism.  Soft socialism is better, but it certainly isn’t the American ideal.  Britain springs to mind as the perfect example of soft socialism.  Britain’s socialist medicine is a disaster, with practically daily stories about people being denied treatment or receiving minimal treatment.  Invariably, the denials arise because the State’s needs trump the individual’s:  Either the treatment is generally deemed too costly (and there are no market forces at work) or the patients are deemed unworthy of care, especially if they’re old.


British socialism has other problems, aside from the dead left behind in her hospital wards.  As did Germany, Russia, and China (and as would Obama), socialist Britain took guns away (at least in London), with the evitable result that violent crime against innocent people skyrocketed. 


The British socialist bureaucracy also controls people’s lives.  In Britain, government protects thieves right’s against property owner’s, has it’s public utilities urge children to report their parents for “green” crimes; tries to criminalize people taking pictures of their own children in public places; destroys perfectly good food that does not meet obsessive compulsive bureaucratic standards; and increasingly stifles free speech.  (Impressively, all of the preceding examples are from just the last six months in England.)


Both history and current events demonstrate that the socialist reality is always bad for the individual, and this is true whether one is looking at the painfully brutal socialism of the Nazis or the Soviets or the Chinese, with its wholesale slaughters, or at the soft socialism of England, in which people’s lives are ever more tightly circumscribed, and the state incrementally destroys individual freedom.  And that is why Obama’s socialism matters. 


Regardless of Obama’s presumed good intentions, socialism always brings a society to a bad ending.  I don’t want to believe that Americans who live in a free society that allows people to think what they will, do what they want, and succeed if they can, will willingly hand themselves over to the socialist ideology.  They must therefore be reminded, again and again and again, that socialism isn’t just another political party; it’s the death knell to freedom.  So remember, while McCain wants to change DC, Obama wants to change America.

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Posted: 13 October 2008 06:54 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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you will just not give this thing up. Know matter what you write or what you say. I don’t think that you can change peoples minds. You are the most world worse basher I have ever seen Judge not that you may not be Judged. Give it a break!

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Posted: 13 October 2008 07:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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sweets - 13 October 2008 06:54 PM

you will just not give this thing up. Know matter what you write or what you say. I don’t think that you can change peoples minds. You are the most world worse basher I have ever seen Judge not that you may not be Judged. Give it a break!

I care too much for this country to give up.  Scoialism that Obama puts forth may not bother you, and that is fine, but it bothers me.
What specific policies of Obama’s do you like?  Do you know what they are without running to his website?

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Posted: 13 October 2008 08:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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I like his healthcare policies, tax policies. and if your are rich its ok for Big John. For the fact Obama cares for the middle class americans.
I have no healthcare I know what its like to have no money to pay for medication and doctor bills. Know one seems to care. John and his 5,000 dollar thing I don’t think so. Another thing we can’t stand four more years of Bush. It’s time for change.  It shows that Obama really cares about the americans getting out with his Scoialism. What a better way to get to know someone. Don’t get me wrong. But I don’t not have nothing against John. It just seems to me that everyone should get along and not Judge know one. Its a choice you have. I have said it before and I will say it again. It does not matter if you are black or white or no matter who wins. It’s going to take who ever wins many years to fix the mess that Bush has got us into. Bush was not by his self on alot of this mess. I think John voted with him on most policies 96% of the time.

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Posted: 13 October 2008 08:56 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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See info on “A note to locals / regulars”
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Posted: 15 October 2008 10:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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McCain is not bush.  That anchor around his neck fell off a long time ago.  Economists all over this nation have said Obama’s plans will not work.  They cost too much money.

When will people wake up and smell the coffee?

Bush did not get us into the mess.  F&F;were Clinton’s creation, headed by Democrats.

Socialism is not the answer for this country.  I would use Russia as an example.

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Posted: 15 October 2008 11:47 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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What does 2008 Nobel Prize for Economics Paul Krugman say
“Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman says Obama’s economic plans make sense and McCain’s economic plans are just more of the same old Bush policies that got us in this mess.“

yes I know your come back, but he was selected for the Nobel Prize, he didn’t select himself.

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Posted: 15 October 2008 12:48 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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fromtheslide - 15 October 2008 11:47 AM

What does 2008 Nobel Prize for Economics Paul Krugman say
“Nobel Laureate Paul Krugman says Obama’s economic plans make sense and McCain’s economic plans are just more of the same old Bush policies that got us in this mess.“

yes I know your come back, but he was selected for the Nobel Prize, he didn’t select himself.

The Nobel committee are themselves Socialists.  They will support anything from the left. Paul Krugman is a leftist political hack.  He is very biased and supports socialism.  He has been around for years and it has been a long time since he has had an original thought.

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Posted: 15 October 2008 01:02 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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President Bush and the fed just this week put into effect something Krugman suggested.  Does that mean President Bush and the fed is now leftist?

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Posted: 15 October 2008 01:26 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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wall street, according to NPR are socialists…

bush bailed them out for their mistakes…

bush failed to oversee the economy..it actually falls under his responsibility!

mccain-he couldn’t even manage his own campaign AND the bail-out crisis situation-that is very frightening! weak leadership! how is he going to manage all the other crisis in the country/world?

odd, but why is mccain following everything obama does? why has he turned to character attacks-false ones at that! desperation! I don’t want a desperate man as president!

mccain voted with bush 92%!

we need to restore out nation!!!

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Posted: 19 October 2008 10:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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If you’d really like to discuss Marx and Engels, by all means, contact me.
Have you ever actually READ the Communist Manifesto?  Have you ever actually STUDIED Socialism?
I think you would find that you have many misconceptions about both.
And yes, I have read the Communist Manifesto in full and studied Marx in depth.

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Posted: 26 October 2008 04:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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aliciaring - 19 October 2008 10:43 PM

If you’d really like to discuss Marx and Engels, by all means, contact me.
Have you ever actually READ the Communist Manifesto?  Have you ever actually STUDIED Socialism?
I think you would find that you have many misconceptions about both.
And yes, I have read the Communist Manifesto in full and studied Marx in depth.

Yes I read it.  It was required for Poli Sci in college.  It is a failed proposition as demonstrated by the former Soviet Union.  Americans will not buy into that garbage.

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Posted: 27 October 2008 07:06 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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The post that started this thread is complete hype.  Socialism is not a form of government.  Socialism is a form of economics.  Capitalism is a form of economy just as communism is the opposite end of the economic spectrum.  Socialism is the middle road of economics.  If you are going to argue about this stuff, at least get the fundamentals straight.  Totalitarianism, democracy, dictatatorships, theocracies, etc. are forms of goverrnment.

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Posted: 28 October 2008 02:15 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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Good job drover…you, of course, are right.  The “gotcha” in all of this is the US was founded as a democracy (form of govt of the people) with no mention in the Constitution of the economic system.  Truthfully, should Americans vote into office representatives with a socialist agenda, then so be it.  To this point the bail-out package has been a move to nationalize some of the financial sector.  But after higher income taxes on businesses, higher payroll taxes on businesses, increased medical costs to businesses, and increased unionization costs to businesses who will be around to create jobs?  So, an Obama administration will have to either 1) buy businesses before they fail or 2) allow unemployment and entitlement claims to shoot through the roof.  All of this so my tax dollars can go into the pocket of the 40% who don’t pay a red cent in taxes.  And, if neither occurs, the consumer will get hit with higher prices which will negate Obama’s promised tax reduction (rebate).

You don’t have to be an expert economist to connect dots.

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Posted: 28 October 2008 02:53 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 14 ]
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And read this guy’s blog…very interesting stuff!!

http://justmyopinion.blogtownhall.com/2008/10/22/viva_la_revolucion.thtml

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Posted: 28 October 2008 05:40 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 15 ]
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Thank you for the compliment ccone1.  I understand your position and can sympathise with it to a certain extent but I definitely cannot agree with it.  I do not understand a lot of this new stuff.  I am an uneducated, redneck, hillbilly truck driver.  I just have to rely on what I was taught in school back in the fifties.  I am unequivocally opposed to Socialism but it looks like I will have to live with it because it is already here and I am still waiting to see who won the election.  If I remember right, government ownership of essential industries is the original definition of socialism.  I think you are right, this bailout qualifies.  Another point, businesses do not create jobs, working people do.  A well paid work force supplies the demand that allows business to prosper supplying that demand.  You are right, economics really is simple.  As uneducated as I am I understand those basics.  I can understand companies complaining about paying taxes and not getting protection from companies that exploit child labor for ten cents an hour.  Protection is the most basic purpose of government.  Let’s hear three cheers for protectionism.  Actually, I cannot think of any other reason to institute a government.  Just look at the trade deficit.  Even an old wore out truck driver can figure that out.  Any time you spend more than you take in, you are worth less tomorrow than you were today.  It really is simple, you do not have to be an expert economist to understand that.  Even the USA cannot continue to spend like that for long.
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    If you are interested, the Cato Institute can explain to you why it is good for business to operate in the red.  I just wonder who funds their existence.  I’ll bet they do not operate in the red.

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