Obamas “Christian” view on 3 Books of the Bible
Posted: 08 October 2008 01:31 PM   [ Ignore ]
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Obama is doomed.  Watch the video.  You will not believe your eyes and ears.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=UnmS_vULPxw&feature=related

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Posted: 08 October 2008 07:10 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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Wythevillemom, you wrote
The media is as biased as any individual.  They write and submit articles to buttress their preconceived beliefs.  People on each side of an issue will often turn to the Bible and ‘cherry pick’, passages to support their position.  That is what the writer has done in this Rolling Stone article.

This is a nonissue, and only reflects the author.“ 
Yet you are willing to go to youtube and take an obviously edited ‘cherry picked’ video at face value. You might want to hear the 18 minute long Call to Renewal speech in its entirety.  James Dobson, cherry picking, attacked Obama on this. The Rev. Kirbyjon Caldwell, a Methodist minister from Texas and supporter of President Bush but has endorsed Obama, belongs to a group of religious leaders who launched a Web site to counter Dobson at http://www.jamesdobsondoesntspeakforme.com. The site highlights statements from Obama and Dobson and asks visitors to compare them.  This site is independent of Obama’s campaign.

Caldwell said he has great respect for Dobson’s advocacy for families, but said the criticism of Obama was “a bit over the top” and “crossed the line.“

This website…

http://ablestmage.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/phforamericaorg-smear-tactic-debunked/

might also give some insight.

If you believe in John McCain and his policies then support him.  If you disagree with Obama’s policies, don’t support him.  But don’t base your opinion on Obama on a phony youtube video.

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Posted: 08 October 2008 07:59 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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very nice ynot!

i find it very disturbing that people actually base their political views on videos and stories like this without bothering to find out the real facts.

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Posted: 09 October 2008 09:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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Here is a more complete transcription of Obama’s speech, taken directly from the US Senate website:

Moreover, given the increasing diversity of America’s population, the dangers of sectarianism have never been greater. Whatever we once were, we are no longer just a Christian nation; we are also a Jewish nation, a Muslim nation, a Buddhist nation, a Hindu nation, and a nation of nonbelievers.

And even if we did have only Christians in our midst, if we expelled every non-Christian from the United States of America, whose Christianity would we teach in the schools? Would we go with James Dobson’s, or Al Sharpton’s? Which passages of Scripture should guide our public policy? Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is ok and that eating shellfish is abomination? How about Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith? Or should we just stick to the Sermon on the Mount - a passage that is so radical that it’s doubtful that our own Defense Department would survive its application? So before we get carried away, let’s read our bibles. Folks haven’t been reading their bibles.

So, according to Obama we are not a Christian nation, and you know what?  He doesn’t sound the least bit upset about that.

Here is the full transcription

Now, after reading his speech, this concerns me, as a Christian, even more, because Obama is specifically stating that he will not endorse anything that cannot be defended outside of religion or God’s will.  In other words, what the Bible says will have absolutely no bearing on what he does.

This brings me to my second point. Democracy demands that the religiously motivated translate their concerns into universal, rather than religion-specific, values. It requires that their proposals be subject to argument, and amenable to reason. I may be opposed to abortion for religious reasons, but if I seek to pass a law banning the practice, I cannot simply point to the teachings of my church or evoke God’s will. I have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths, including those with no faith at all.

So if the bible teaches that homosexuality is wrong, it doesn’t matter to Obama because he would require a reason that would also apply to atheists.

The only conclusion to draw from this, regardless of what Obama says about being a Christian or his religious beliefs, is that he will not seek Godly council.

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Posted: 09 October 2008 03:44 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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I listened to the entire speech and read the transcript prior to posting the information for jamesdobsondoesntspeakforme.  After listening to it and reading, I don’t have the same interpretation that you do.  But, neither do I believe that James Dobson and Pat Robertson speak to tolerance and God’s love with everything they have to say. Jerry Falwell during his lifetime did the same.  They might have delivered sermons that were but they have used the Bible to encourage intolerance.  For instance, calling Ellen Degeneres Ellen Degenerate does not help to teach homosexuality is wrong.

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Posted: 15 October 2008 12:43 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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The United States is not a Christian nation!
Our founding fathers were UNitarians!
In God We Trust..not In Christ We trust
..think about that…

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