When whales trump security
Posted: 09 October 2008 10:02 AM   [ Ignore ]
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I am in favor of conserving the environment and protecting the Whales.  Most Americans recognize the need to do so.  However, there needs to be proportionality in our approach.  Our friends on the left have overwhelmingly thrown their support behind the Democrats.  They do so, because the Democrats grant them more influence, even at the peril of old fashioned ‘common sense’.

When I see the environmentalist putting their cause ahead of my family’s safety, I object.  This article that I have provided excerpts from, highlights this short sided fallacy.  A link is provided at the bottom.


It’s a dangerous world out there. Iranian mullahs push forward their missile and nuke development programs while musing about a world without Israel ... or America. Russia rattles its saber, invades Georgia, plants its flag in the Arctic and dismisses the United States as a has-been superpower. Islamists wage a “holy war” against “the Great Satan” with firefights in Afghanistan, bombings in the Middle East and plots around the world.

Perilous times, indeed. And while America is at war, environmental extremists are on a mission, too. Just not necessarily on our side.

Case in point: The Navy has a whale of a problem. It uses sonar to detect underwater dangers and to navigate its own submarines. But sonar may adversely affect the navigational ability of whales and other sea creatures. In five different cases, environmental groups have sued the Navy to restrict testing low- and medium-range sonar frequency arrays.

For example, when naval ships detect sea mammals within 200 yards during training exercises, they shut down the sonar immediately. Scientific experiments by the Navy determined that a 200-yard buffer minimizes the risk that whales will become disoriented by military sonar.

But instead of deferring to the service’s scientifically-based buffer zone, a U.S. District judge decided the Navy must turned off its sonar at a range of 2,200 yards. The new buffer zone - more than a mile-and-a-quarter radius - appears based on nothing but the whim of the court. The Navy called the restrictions “crippling.“

As a result of this decision, the commander of the USS Ronald Reagan Strike Group recently had to slash sonar training. Meanwhile, China continues to build its super-quiet diesel submarines that are harder and harder to find - even with sonar up and running.

The Navy is not the only service losing “lawfare” battles to the enviros. Earlier this year, a U.S. district judge ruled the Pentagon violated the National Historic Preservation Act (NHPA) by failing to evaluate how a new air base, the Futenma Replacement Facility, might affect the Japanese dugong.

Since NHPA is intended to apply to historical property, not animals, the court’s decision is as strange as the unusual mammal it purports to protect.

More than odd, the ruling undermines security. A joint statement by U.S. and Japanese officials “reaffirmed that completion of the Futenma Replacement Facility ... by the target date of 2014, is the key to ... the overall realignment plan for Okinawa,“ including relocation of a Marine Expeditionary Unit to Guam. The actions of an activist judge have now all but ensured this vital process will not be complete by the deadline.

Worse, the dugong decision may create a new opening for environmental activists to target other U.S. bases around the world, re-labeling arcane animals as historic relics that must take precedence under the NHPA.

Judges gone wild is a symptom of a bigger problem. In the end, the greatest threat to American security may be constituent politics that puts narrow self-interest above the common good.

“Lawfare” advocates a constituent concern regardless of the cost. As long as stakeholders advance their agenda, nothing else matters. This problem can get out of control when judges cultivate a culture of litigation and creative interpretation of law.

The activists can rightly argue they are just doing their job, lobbying for their thing. Government, however, is supposed to be about more than just the sum of constituent politics.

Lawmakers have an obligation to give us laws that will keep us all free, safe and prosperous. Courts are obliged to protect us from those who would violate or abuse the law.

But when activists hijack the judiciary and advance one goal at the expense of another, justice is perverted. And when government’s fundamental obligation to “provide for the common defense” falls victim to perverse court rulings, the nation’s future is at risk.

http://www.heritage.org/Press/Commentary/ed100608d.cfm

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Posted: 09 October 2008 02:09 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 1 ]
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wythevillemom-your statement “navigate its own submarines” needs some more research by you!!!!!!!!!

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Posted: 09 October 2008 06:24 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 2 ]
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fromtheslide - 09 October 2008 02:09 PM

whthevillemom-your statement “navigate its own submarines” needs some more research by you!!!!!!!!!

what do you mean?  Any meaningful comment on the left putting whales ahead of our nations security?

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Posted: 10 October 2008 08:52 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 3 ]
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wythevillemom-Submarines DO NOT use sonar to navigate.

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Posted: 10 October 2008 07:11 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 4 ]
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fromtheslide - 10 October 2008 08:52 AM

wythevillemom-Submarines DO NOT use sonar to navigate.

Submarines use navigational charts and sonar to help them know where they are heading while being submerged:

Submarines use large underwater listening devices called “sonar” to navigate and detect other objects underwater. Submarine sonar is affected by weather, water temperature, biologics, and other natural conditions. A submarine can often hear a ship miles away.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/navy/l/blsubfaq.htm

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Posted: 10 October 2008 07:22 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 5 ]
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Gordy40 I rode submarines for 26 years.

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Posted: 10 October 2008 08:20 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 6 ]
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I was giving information from the Navy website.  I guess you should take it up with them.

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Posted: 11 October 2008 08:07 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 7 ]
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Actually your referenced site is   about.com and is not a Navy site

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Posted: 11 October 2008 11:50 PM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 8 ]
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Oops. My bad.  Could you give me a link to the US Naval site?

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Posted: 12 October 2008 08:17 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 9 ]
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I don’t know of any site that would give you the information you are looking for.  You are treading very close to very highly classified information when you discuss submarine sonor and navigation capabilities.
Please drop submarines out of this subject I don’t think the question of sonor Vs whales is about submarines its about surface ship sonar.

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Posted: 15 October 2008 10:11 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 10 ]
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fromtheslide - 12 October 2008 08:17 AM

I don’t know of any site that would give you the information you are looking for.  You are treading very close to very highly classified information when you discuss submarine sonor and navigation capabilities.
Please drop submarines out of this subject I don’t think the question of sonor Vs whales is about submarines its about surface ship sonar.

It shows the left is more concerned for the safety of whales than the safety of our country.

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Posted: 15 October 2008 11:18 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 11 ]
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Your stand on this is interesting, I understand that this subject is going to be decided by the Supreme Court.
Why do you want to try it in this forum???  Do you not trust the Supreme Court????

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Posted: 15 October 2008 11:43 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 12 ]
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fromtheslide - 15 October 2008 11:18 AM

Your stand on this is interesting, I understand that this subject is going to be decided by the Supreme Court.
Why do you want to try it in this forum???  Do you not trust the Supreme Court????

Everyone on here is advocating for something or someone.

I find it alarming that the left would put the safety of whales ahead of their country.

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Posted: 15 October 2008 11:56 AM   [ Ignore ]   [ # 13 ]
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I find it alarming that you don’t trust the Supreme Court

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